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It is quite obvious that you are not really wanting to engage in a serious conversation about the facts in Honduras. All you are doing is picking a couple of words out of my post then twisting and spinning them to some outlandish meaning. FYI, people have wised up to those right wing spin tactics. Most folks are into actual facts not hype and raw nerve politics. This is why the right has completely collapsed. It is just plain sad to watch a group of people totally implode. All you have to offer America these days is nothing but people like Palin and Limbaugh. Totally sad! Maybe one day you will be able to work your way out of the ultra right's brain drain like you did out of the COGs. I'm a positive thinker so, there is always hope for you man.

Take it easy man.

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Mike, wake up! The whole political mess is imploding, Democrats and Republicans. A society that loses it's moral compass is destined to implode. Everything isn't COG you know. Just because you didn't think then or now, doesn't mean others didn't and don't.

I can see why you have the sky is falling mentality. You are still holding to the teachings of the COG. You haven't worked you way out of that yet.

ForumJen wrote:

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Southern David wrote:

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ForumJen wrote:

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Southern David wrote:

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It is quite obvious that you are not really wanting to engage in a serious conversation about the facts in Honduras. All you are doing is picking a couple of words out of my post then twisting and spinning them to some outlandish meaning. FYI, people have wised up to those right wing spin tactics. Most folks are into actual facts not hype and raw nerve politics. This is why the right has completely collapsed. It is just plain sad to watch a group of people totally implode. All you have to offer America these days is nothing but people like Palin and Limbaugh. Totally sad! Maybe one day you will be able to work your way out of the ultra right's brain drain like you did out of the COGs. I'm a positive thinker so, there is always hope for you man.

Take it easy man.

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Mike, wake up! The whole political mess is imploding, Democrats and Republicans. A society that loses it's moral compass is destined to implode. Everything isn't COG you know. Just because you didn't think then or now, doesn't mean others didn't and don't.

I can see why you have the sky is falling mentality. You are still holding to the teachings of the COG. You haven't worked you way out of that yet.

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Maybe it's because I've already experienced a bit of the sky is falling. We've just gone through six months of unemployment so I know that the economy being in a mess is a reality. I think the other 10% of unemployeed citizens may have a different point of view of your rosy senario.

I hope I never work my way out of looking at reality Mike. Head in the sand does very little for anyone. It can make one continue on in la la land, but that's about all it will get you. Since you bring up working ones way out...it seems you haven't learned the lesson of not looking to a man...any man. The same mentality seems to still be there for you...sadly, you've just replaced a different person on the pedestal.

I can certainly understand being unemployed. I was unemployed for a period in my life too. Remember the current crisis happened under a Republican administration. It is similar to what happened under Hoover but it took a Democratic administration to get the country back on track. If it hadn't been for FDR's work and aid programs, my family and many others would have starved to death. Thank God for people like FDR and Obama. Their heart is with the people not the ultra wealthy.

I agree one must never lose touch with reality. Growing up we had seven years of religiously inflicted unemployment. To the point of living in an old chicken house with dirt floors and no utilities. Things like that help keep you head in reality. I am very picky these days about the teachings of a man or group of men, whether they are religious or political.

ForumJen wrote:

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Southern David wrote:

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ForumJen wrote:

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Southern David wrote:

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ForumJen wrote:

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Southern David wrote:

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It is quite obvious that you are not really wanting to engage in a serious conversation about the facts in Honduras. All you are doing is picking a couple of words out of my post then twisting and spinning them to some outlandish meaning. FYI, people have wised up to those right wing spin tactics. Most folks are into actual facts not hype and raw nerve politics. This is why the right has completely collapsed. It is just plain sad to watch a group of people totally implode. All you have to offer America these days is nothing but people like Palin and Limbaugh. Totally sad! Maybe one day you will be able to work your way out of the ultra right's brain drain like you did out of the COGs. I'm a positive thinker so, there is always hope for you man.

Take it easy man.

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Mike, wake up! The whole political mess is imploding, Democrats and Republicans. A society that loses it's moral compass is destined to implode. Everything isn't COG you know. Just because you didn't think then or now, doesn't mean others didn't and don't.

I can see why you have the sky is falling mentality. You are still holding to the teachings of the COG. You haven't worked you way out of that yet.

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Maybe it's because I've already experienced a bit of the sky is falling. We've just gone through six months of unemployment so I know that the economy being in a mess is a reality. I think the other 10% of unemployeed citizens may have a different point of view of your rosy senario.

I hope I never work my way out of looking at reality Mike. Head in the sand does very little for anyone. It can make one continue on in la la land, but that's about all it will get you. Since you bring up working ones way out...it seems you haven't learned the lesson of not looking to a man...any man. The same mentality seems to still be there for you...sadly, you've just replaced a different person on the pedestal.

I can certainly understand being unemployed. I was unemployed for a period in my life too. Remember the current crisis happened under a Republican administration. It is similar to what happened under Hoover but it took a Democratic administration to get the country back on track. If it hadn't been for FDR's work and aid programs, my family and many others would have starved to death. Thank God for people like FDR and Obama. Their heart is with the people not the ultra wealthy.

I agree one must never lose touch with reality. Growing up we had seven years of religiously inflicted unemployment. To the point of living in an old chicken house with dirt floors and no utilities. Things like that help keep you head in reality. I am very picky these days about the teachings of a man or group of men, whether they are religious or political.

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We've been unemployed before as well, but not because of a melt down in government.

Curious, what do you mean by "religiously inflicted unemployment" for seven years?

Hmmmm...picky? OK. Doesn't appear that way, but I'll take you at your word.

It was hard to keep any type of steady income flowing in when you're not available for work two weeks in the spring, one week in the summer, two weeks in the fall and no Saturday work either. Not to mention there were many jobs ruled off limits to church members. There were many church members in the same boat, poor and unemployed. After Armstrong made some "administrative" rulings about the feasts my dad found a very good job, one that he kept for the rest of his life.

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Southern David wrote:

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It was hard to keep any type of steady income flowing in when you're not available for work two weeks in the spring, one week in the summer, two weeks in the fall and no Saturday work either. Not to mention there were many jobs ruled off limits to church members. There were many church members in the same boat, poor and unemployed. After Armstrong made some "administrative" rulings about the feasts my dad found a very good job, one that he kept for the rest of his life.

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OK, I forgot y'all were in there back in the early 50's? Two weeks in spring and one week in the summer? I think I do recall hearing there was a DUB pretty much like the FOT, but that would have just been a week. Don't think I ever recall there being a week in the summer. What was that for? Pentecost? It was obviously very different by the 70's.

Must have been tough getting out of school for all that as well, although I do recall spring break in school sometimes being around that time when I was really young, so maybe it wasn't that hard then to get out. Think the two week spring break was so kids could help with the planting on the farm.

DUB was eight days plus travel time to and from. Depending on how you broke up the travel time it could end up being 10-12 days. They kept Pentecost on Monday a 3 day fest, the first evening service started on Friday night. You had to figure in a couple of days travel time too. Your right, DUB sometimes lined up with spring break this helped for school but not for work. I believe they changed how the feasts were observed in 1967, including the way the NTBMO was kept.